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Posted: August 5, 2011, 7:09 Post #1
I currently know nothing about servers and how they operate. I am not speaking RF, but a more general server hosting. If I wanted to have my own clan server for any given game, but did not want to run it off my computer, what are some good hosting companies or whatnot to carry this out? Keep in mind that I am not a millionaire, and am currently working my way through university.

Anyways, general information regarding the subject would be appreciated, although I need it must be like asking what air is, because of the many complexities.

Thanks

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Posted: August 5, 2011, 8:00 Post #2
If you just want a game server you can rent one from a place like Nuclear Fallout link

You can go whole hog and get a VPS or dedicated box but you're essentially managing a whole machine then
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Posted: August 5, 2011, 16:33 Post #3
Who is it that is hosting the RF servers?

How did GL clan get their servers?

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Posted: August 5, 2011, 16:42 Post #4
The GL match servers were hosted by Philip and I.

The big pub server was hosted by these guys, but I think it was a bit of a special arrangement and I don't think you'll find RF on their games list.

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Posted: August 5, 2011, 18:27 Post #5
I can probably get him to host RF if that was required. His servers were the best I've seen in the game. It would be $1 a slot per month for a large server. A 1v1 server will cost more, per player. So you're best to get a 16 slot server. Thus, 16 dollars a month.

Imo, it would be nice if you paid 32 dollars, and had it for two months. You'll probably not want to keep it after a month, and it takes a while to set up an account for you...

Are you sure you'd want to buy an RF server though? The game is completely dead, no?

Try to get cupid to go halves with you? Voltz server is shit.

I'd play rf if:

click limiter
nerfed rail
good server
new pf
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Posted: August 6, 2011, 13:14 Post #6
Quoting philipokgo
I'd play rf if:

click limiter
nerfed rail
good server
new pf

You know Phil, I usually don't agree with you but on this I do completely.

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 15:31 Post #7
Oh that's normal. I don't even agree with a lot of things I say or more so, how I say them. I figure that in being a complete dickhead, I probably appear stupid at times, I push away decent people because of that. However, RF has always supplied the atmosphere with a huge layer of verbal shit, and instead of trying to wave through this shit, it's easier just to stir it around. Thus, for every person that is even capable of realizing if I've said something wrong/right, or being able to rationalize what I've said to a point they can form a logical opinion as to whether they agree or disagree with it, there's 9000 idiots that are incapable. That is essentially why I behave in the way I do. Self protection method. It can be heartbreaking when you put effort into a reasonable response, only to get: suk dik lamma im shit at rf ban hmg ban to the mod pf is haxoring u.

So I like to think that people capable of reason do not actually disagree with my true beliefs in respect to how I feel RF should be. I think my requests to make RF a better game, are reasonable.

RF is genuinely a fun game, I think. If it was as polished as Quake (bad example maybe, quakes demo function is shocking), it would be a great competitive game.
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Posted: August 6, 2011, 16:10 Post #8
I would be more interested in the game if 90% of the community evaporated overnight

That's not to say the game doesn't need work though. But at least I can remember some of my times of maximum enjoyment were playing vs randoms who never used the chat.

Quoting philiphypocrisy
It can be heartbreaking when you put effort into a reasonable response, only to get: suk dik lamma im shit at rf ban hmg ban to the mod pf is haxoring u.

qft

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 16:33 Post #9
I agree that RF is a generally fun game. What I was considering was hosting a private server, probably a 3v3 server, to keep cost within my college wallet (although would definitely go larger, if I recieved help from Voltz, or anyone for that matter).

Looking back to when GL was active with their servers, there was, more often than not, a good match going on at any given time throughout the day. I figured that a private server MIGHT be worth it, but I would make damned sure that it was top quality.

So, my proposal is that if I do this as a test drive for a month or two, I would send the money to Philip via Paypal (For him to set it up). This would ensure a top notch setup, as well as saving me some trouble. I will talk to Cupid and other Voltz members, possibly seeing if this could replace the private CTF and DM servers, therefore sending a bit of that money towards a higher quality server.

Edited by Mario at August 6, 2011, 16:34

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 19:14 Post #10
Meh, changed my mind. If slots for the private server are around $1.00-$1.50, I'd be willing to fully pay for a 4v4 or 5v5 private server.

I realize that it wouldn't really be me hosting the server in any way. Rather it would be me giving Philip money to do so...

I would like it to be configured in a way that it is not only the best server available for matches in RF currently, but above/around the quality of the past GL servers. I ask Philip not only because he is unlikely to screw me over (so I believe), but he and digi seem be the most knowledgeable when it comes to servers (Nick as well).

I would like the same basic layout of the GL match servers, with the /ready command, cheat blocker and such. It would be fantastic if the hit sounds could be added as well, although I'm not sure if those got past testing.

If spectate could be added as well, that would make the extra slots worthwhile. I know that a 5v5 of decently skilled players is unlikely in RF, so I don't want to be paying for extra slots for spectating purposes, when spectate mode isn't even available...

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 19:32 Post #11
Quoting Mario
I would like the same basic layout of the GL match servers, with the /ready command, cheat blocker and such. It would be fantastic if the hit sounds could be added as well, although I'm not sure if those got past testing.

* All my RF code (including the /ready thing and forum match bot) has been archived and I will not be pulling it out.
* Assuming the "cheat blocker" you're referring to is Match mode, you'll be able to activate that with no problems
* Hitsounds were part of PF itself and, as you guessed, never really got past testing. I really really REALLY doubt that Trot will come out of hiding to release an update with the hitsounds enabled, so take that as you will.




Quoting Mario
Looking back to when GL was active with their servers, there was, more often than not, a good match going on at any given time throughout the day. I figured that a private server MIGHT be worth it, but I would make damned sure that it was top quality.

This is true, and that's why I consider GL/MyRF some of my best memories. I think the game was a lot more active back then though? It seems like the only "competitive" (hahaha) players left are people in this dumb clan that Fran made. Am I wrong?




Witness the slow decline of RF in graph format:
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(Note: I have no idea why there is a gap.)




Also, just wanted to note that there's no good reason that Voltz isn't a good quality server. They're on a decent box at a decent datacenter with a decent pipe. However, AFAIK, they're running RF either under Wine or in a Windows VM on a Linux host. What a mess. That right there absolutely destroys the reg.

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 19:50 Post #12
Our /ready bots were hosted on digi and myself's home computers. They were not hosted on the maverick server.

Maverick probably would agree to it, but it's a bitch to set up, and it's really not worth the bother. You'll also get errors if it's not linked with a site (it reported match statistics).

GL/myRF was popular because of several reasons:

We redirected purefaction.org traffic to the website
We redirected some of the faction files traffic
We ran 1.0 some of the time, and there's a few 1.0 players
We had a website, not just a server
We gave something to the players i.e statistics. Players always want to brag about their wins/losses, and the statistics showed wins/losses.
I was admin to the site. I think I'm the best admin I've ever seen on a website.
We treated the players equally, we more or less gave everyone rcon. Until they did something dumb.
Nick. Most people wanted to play in the server with him.

If you put up a server, you can't guarantee it's going to be active all the time simply because it's a good server, and vice versa. TrotSkies servers were always set up terrible, and even with 18 ping, the hit reg was comparable to 250.

As far as paypaling me, Cupid will be 100% sure I'm out to scam him/you/your clan. I can get maverick to simply charge it straight from yours or whoever's account, but I can help set it up. So basically, I'd help and then after that, I have little to no involvement. This will ease Cupids mind, hopefully.

If you wish for it to be popular though, I suggest the following:

Kill the voltz site, it's awful. Replace it with just a forum. Websites in games are generally pointless, unless you have information about the players. No offence, most people don't want to know about seel, aztek, that french guy and other people you have/have had in your clan. Replace it with a forum. An empty forum.

Run a 4v4 server plus a public 24 slot server. Do not bother with rolphs hosting. Get maverick to host everything, have Cupid pay for the public. If no one can afford invision/vbulletin forum software, then obtain SMF2.

However, I'm going to have a hard time convincing maverick to host a server, knowing fully well that you'll probably cease paying for it after a month or two. Can you please try to get support from your clan?

Also, I consider this whole thing a waste of time. If you run the one server, and do not change your website, you're just going to get:

King
That vzla guy (mind has gone blank) who says ban to the mod.
A couple of poles, shady/xyron/toure/duq (might as well all be the same person, they all play shit).
And that's about it.

Vzlafag will just spam your forum every time he beats you.
Cupid will do nothing.
Bouch might lock the thread (if you're lucky). Certainly won't delete it.
You'll get frustrated.
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Posted: August 7, 2011, 2:33 Post #13
Sorry, I forgot to say. If chess determines skill, I am willing to play that chess player in voltz =D.

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Black joins the game
Clock: 10 minutes/side + 8 seconds/move
White resigned
Rematch offer sent
shit noobi
dude ...
you just lost
in like
5 moves
you are shit
that's right ... I lost, but I'm offering a rematch
played over 800 games
and you lose
in 5 moves
that's just sad
haha :) what's sad is you talking trash on the internet
are you gonna play or not
no, why should I?
you are a sore loser
I'm not a sore loser, I am reacting to your insults
chess is just a game. It's not worth getting worked up over
but you didn't finish the game
I guess with a queen out the way, you are useless
you didn't have my queen, you had my knight
i had your queen
in 3 moves
if you look carefully
i thought that's why you resigned lolo
wow you're worse than i thought
cya
hehe no you didn't
but I'll let you disillusion yourself
have fun
if you could see ahead
you'd not lose your knight + queen
so fast
you know dude, why don't we play again
and then you can show me the chess master you really are
and if you want to be tough
create an account here
and play like a real man
don't hide and be spiteful, that doesn't speak a lot about your character
=[
bad...
real man would continue game
peace
hahahaha no real men know when to give up
so you admit your lost queen, gg
cu


that's how I roll

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2636/77483555.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6449/64103690.jpg


his rank is decent too
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Posted: August 7, 2011, 3:15 Post #14
I had figured that launching it under Voltz 4v4 Private would solve a lot of those problems, although now I do see the downsides compared to the GL clan.

Perhaps it was all some day dream, although it would be cool to have it set up. The problem is, much like you have stated many times before, I really don't want to go through all that work for a pub, and even a private. I never had any intention of setting up a public, because I don't feel like sponsoring the average 10 year old player from Somalia, or the majority or crummy people that play the game of RF.

As much as it would be cool to have the server back up, I know little to nothing about setting up sites, or many of the other things you suggested. I also highly doubt that Cupid or others would be willing to go through the trouble. So, as much as I would like the private server, I'm incapable of setting a lot of that stuff up, and not willing to do a lot of that stuff as well. Nothing against the few good players there are, just against the 80%+ people that I would rather not talk to, or have anything to do with.


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Posted: August 7, 2011, 4:50 Post #15
Quoting Mario
I don't feel like sponsoring the average 10 year old player from Somalia


I actually think you should sponsor him

Think of the plusses. playercount++ and he won't speak a word of English

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Posted: August 7, 2011, 9:09 Post #16
Greetings, I am Nick.

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Posted: August 7, 2011, 10:24 Post #17
Quoting Mario
I had figured that launching it under Voltz 4v4 Private would solve a lot of those problems, although now I do see the downsides compared to the GL clan.

Perhaps it was all some day dream, although it would be cool to have it set up. The problem is, much like you have stated many times before, I really don't want to go through all that work for a pub, and even a private. I never had any intention of setting up a public, because I don't feel like sponsoring the average 10 year old player from Somalia, or the majority or crummy people that play the game of RF.

As much as it would be cool to have the server back up, I know little to nothing about setting up sites, or many of the other things you suggested. I also highly doubt that Cupid or others would be willing to go through the trouble. So, as much as I would like the private server, I'm incapable of setting a lot of that stuff up, and not willing to do a lot of that stuff as well. Nothing against the few good players there are, just against the 80%+ people that I would rather not talk to, or have anything to do with.



You seem to forget that I don't like RF people either. So unless you're paying me 40 dollars an hour for my time, I have little interest in helping set up a server that benefits a community I do not have any positive feelings for.

Again you have chosen the defeatist attitude of:

Not wanting to make a thread on voltz to get support.
Not wanting to bug every player for monetary backup.
I wasn't aware you had to sponsor anyone to set up a public.

Anyway, I'm not helping someone that just wants everything handed to him. Those days are gone where I just blindly offer to help people.

Not to be rude, but you're just disgracing yourself by offering to play fran (talking about the voltz forum). The only way to stop that guy from being a dick head, is to deny him matches. What was your plan? Set up a server for him and king, pay for it, only to have them shit talk you in a place you pay for?

Nice dream.

I will help set up a forum though. Simply because the current one is a metaphorical waste of the internet's surface area. I Cupid will let there be a decent forum on the site though. Last I heard, he enjoys pissing his bed, watching people argue, and running around the room chasing a laser.
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